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Sydney Housing Disaster part 1 & 2

#1 Message par BulleDog » 25 mai 2007, 21:48

FSU Editorial - Sydney Housing Disaster
Part 1
La parabole des oranges - Description des marchés à offre rigide - Création de pénurie et surélévation des actifs par des aides

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/edito ... /0420.html

Part 2 Bastard Market
Le marché tendu des autorisations de construction - Les dégats d'une politique d'urbanisation axée sur la concentration et la restriction de l'offre en terrains. La Planification perdante.

http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/edito ... /0426.html

A lire absolument !!!!

Un merveilleux cours d'économie sur les marchés de l'offre et de la demande.
Introduction de la notion de bastard market. :(
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#2 Message par nocredits » 26 mai 2007, 09:54

Merci BulleDog, ces articles sont superbes :
Taking equity out of a house is a misnomer, and does not make a person rich because they must repay the money or lose the house. In reality you are not taking anything out of the house, you are risking ownership of the house in order to borrow money from another party. If a desperate gambler borrows money from a loan shark, knowing he will have his leg broken if he fails to repay, we do not say this gambler has "taken equity out of his leg". We know that this foolish gambler has risked his leg in order to borrow money from the shark.
People have become so dumb that they don't understand the proper role of govt and the role of private enterprise. Govt now employs near to half the population, yet in University they don't teach govt, they only teach business. So, many people running govt are trained in running a private business and so try to run govt like a private business. The goal of every private business is to cut costs and raise prices and take profits wherever possible, constrained only by competition. Govt has no competition so it can raise taxes and drop services without limit. This has happened. Govt elites are now making fortunes for themselves and their cronies, instead of serving the public.
Perhaps there is another explanation. What if the role of govt is not "to collect taxes from us in order to provide services to us" but this is just a lie they tell us. What if our govt has become like a farmer who keeps us like animals for his own benefit. If the farmer can collect twice the eggs and give half the feed he would do so, wouldn't he? That would explain a doubling of taxes and a halving of services. Perhaps somewhere along the line we voted in a govt that sees us as animals to a farmer, as slaves to a master, or serfs to a Lord. Just something to think about. It might be a good idea to vote out govts that view citizens in that way.
It is a bit unfair for me to criticise town planners. I said that govt planner have "failed", but this is not correct. They have failed to do what I want. But they have succeeded in doing what pleases them, they have done whatever they wanted to do. That's success. Town planners do not have the job of planning the town to please me. Their job is to do whatever pleases their bosses, the politicians and the underlying voters. Sydney's town planners have been very successful in pleasing their bosses and being paid a lot for it. Sydney politicians have been very successful in getting votes and a lot of money for themselves. I congratulate them all.

It is a bit unfair for me to criticise the majority of voters. The majority of voters has been very successful in getting the govt they vote for. We do have a democracy, which suits the majority. I am in the minority and I don't approve of your choices but I congratulate you on your success majority. Enjoy your democracy and your chosen government.
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#3 Message par BulleDog » 26 mai 2007, 09:59

C'est un vrai cours d'économie.

J'aime bien le terme "bastard market"...pour caractériser le marché immobilier de Sydney.

Je vais contacter cet auteur pour lui signaler quelques points.
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#4 Message par BulleDog » 26 mai 2007, 12:49

j'ai mis ça sur le forum pour Slash et son index.
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#5 Message par slash33 » 26 mai 2007, 14:49

BulleDog a écrit :j'ai mis ça sur le forum pour Slash et son index.
Merci. Tu me conseilles quelle section où "l'exposer" ?

PS : ce n'est pas "mon" index, il est destiné à tous...

Claudine

#6 Message par Claudine » 26 mai 2007, 15:15

Bonjour,

Peut-on avoir une traduction partielle?

SVP. Merci.

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#7 Message par BulleDog » 31 mai 2007, 00:43

Claudine a écrit :Bonjour,

Peut-on avoir une traduction partielle?

SVP. Merci.
Malheureusement non vu la taille des pages.
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#8 Message par antoine_sg » 31 mai 2007, 02:58

Claudine a écrit : Peut-on avoir une traduction partielle?
Un extrait. On se croirait en France:
moronic solutions are proposed that shuffle dollars but do not create a single extra house.
Des solutions stupides sont proposées, qui redistribuent de l'argent sans construire une seule nouvelle maison.

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#9 Message par opcvm1234 » 14 juin 2007, 08:27

bonjour

désolé pour le retour tardif mais le temps de lire de manière exhaustive les 35 pages ainsi imprimées...

bref pour dire que cet article est un "must read" pour les anglophones...

et si vous n'avez qu'à lire et traduire une petite partie c'est selon moi la suivante: comment expliquer le shortage de surface constructible et de hausse maîtrisée des prix de l'immo par une superbe parabole:
The Parable of the Frozen Oranges

Once upon a time there was a school attended by 10 boys. The school was in a place called "Orange Land" where the great orange dream of all mothers was for their children to eat one orange per day. With this in mind, the boys' mums set up a school canteen, arranged an orange supply from a nearby farm, and sent their children to school with money to buy one orange and other food from the canteen daily.

As happens so often in life, the children were given unequal amounts of canteen money each day. The 1st boy was given $1, boy2 was given $2 and so on, with the richest boy10 getting $10 per day.

For a long time everything worked fine. Every day 10 oranges were delivered to the canteen and sold for $0.20 each. Each boy obediently bought one orange and spent the rest of his money on other things.

The Natural Orange Squeeze

Then one day there was a problem at the orange farm and only 9 oranges arrived from the farm. Fred and Frank ran the canteen, so to handle the shortage they adjusted the orange price to "market price" (via a Dutch auction process) and found that at a price of $2 the demand for oranges was exactly 9. (The boy with $1 missed out).

A few days later only 8 oranges were delivered, so the market price became $3, $24 dollars of oranges were sold, and 2 boys missed out. Later when only 7 oranges were supplied, the market price became $4, $28 dollars of oranges were sold, and 3 boys missed out.

During this orange shortage, some children complained that they could not afford to buy an orange anymore. But Fred's defence was "Supply and demand. The market sets the price, not me".

The school headmaster overheard the grumbling about oranges and asked the canteen if everything was all right.

"Yes sir" said Fred "our orange supply has increased from $2 per day up to $28 per day.”

"Wow that's a strong orange market" said the headmaster "talk about healthy growth."

That night the headmaster spoke to his neighbour, an economist, and bragged about the orange growth. "Wow" said the economist "An income of $10 per day can conservatively be capitalised at $40,000. The orange division of your canteen alone is worth at least $100,000."

Contrived Orange Squeeze

One day things at the farm got back to normal and the supply reverted to the normal 10 oranges. But Fred did not want to see a bad orange market with the price returning to $0.20, so he held back several oranges in the freezer. In fact he found that he could maximise profit if he sold exactly 6 oranges each day at a price of $5 to receive $30 (with 4 boys missing out daily).

Now with Fred contriving to choke the supply of oranges the market price was set by a combination of Fred's restriction and the amount of money each boy could possibly afford to pay. Yet Fred's defence still was to parrot that "prices are set by the market" and the boys ignorantly nodded in agreement and did not blame Fred for their predicament. For the boys did not understand markets.
PS: l'histoire des frozen continue encore mais j'ai sélectionné le début de la démonstration qui est selon moi frappante de bon sens et expliquée dans un langage clair compréhensible par un enfant.

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Re: Sydney Housing Disaster part 1 & 2

#10 Message par acidrongeur » 29 juin 2010, 06:49

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#12 Message par acidrongeur » 12 juil. 2010, 09:19

BulleDog a écrit :?
pardon c'etait pour pas perdre la file.
par contre les articles sont en "error 404".

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Re: Sydney Housing Disaster part 1 & 2

#13 Message par Gray_Mouser » 14 juil. 2010, 06:17

Il me semble qu'il y a un détail qui ne va pas dans la fable des oranges congelées. Pour pouvoir faire le rapprochement avec l'immobilier, il faudrait qu'une partie des mères (les plus riches) soient actionnaires de la cantine. La fin serait peut-être différente du coup.

C'est une lecture intéressante mais qui caresse un peu trop les jeunes et les acheteurs dans le sens du poil : attaque des vieux propriétaires, beaucoup d'évidences qui ne le sont pas, wishful thinking... Mais attendons la fin.

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